002 compared to Command8

[Jsalam112]

002 is firewire and the Command8 is USB. Both have MIDI and are portable.

I own a 002 for my LE system. I like everything about it with the exception of it lacking a talkback function.
I also use it in satndalone mode frequently with my HD3 Accel system when it's at home. At that point it's a little frustrating because I find myself reaching for faders, buttons and knobs that do not control the system. It's basically my volume control.

The Command8 would appear to rectify this in it's ability to run LE and TDM systems. It also has a talkback function and looks a little more like my Control 24 (in some respects). Downside...no mic pres or line ins.

I can rig a talkback system for the 002 and I can bring mic pres for the Command8.
They both have an upside and a down side. I have to weigh those out.

My question(s):
- Is USB fast enough to handle TDM comfortably?
- Is USB better, worse, the same as firewire in this application?
- Is owning both in order to handle LE and/or TDM along with portability a little on the overkill side?
- Does selling the 002 in order to purchase the Command8 make more sense.

[silverlode]

I have never used an 002 or a Command|8, but I know that the USB/Firewire comparison is meaningless. The 002 (and 002r) use Firewire because they need the bandwidth for audio and MIDI i/o. The Command|8 only sends and receives MIDI, so USB provides more than enough throughput. So the Command|8 USB doens't "handle TDM" or LE for that matter. All it needs to do is send and receive fader and pan positions, etc. It works the same for TDM as for LE. It's just a control surface, not an audio interface for your computer. The 002 is both.

Sorry if that's worded strangely...does it make sense?

[theMeanTeam]

Yeah, the 002 and command|8 are totally different beasts. the command|8 is only supposed to be the 'physical' control surface for the rackmount 002 which has no faders and whatnot. Thats why its usb, is because all it passes back and forth is the info about the position of the faders on the board.

002 rack + command|8 = 002

[norm14]

I want to know as well...so which one is the best choice for now? why?

[CroqueMadame]

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The Command8 would appear to rectify this in it's ability to run LE and TDM systems.



I find the command 8 quite snappy with PT LE (I use the 002r). It doesn't insert plug-ins (it controls only already asigned insert plug) nor perform automation control.
I chose this control going for total compatibility with latest PT soft. A future firmware update may improve that or may not.

[Jsalam112]

So I understand...
The 002 has 4 mic and 4 line inputs but it does not have a talk back.
The Command 8 has a talkback but no audio inputs.

Is it then even possible to use only the Command 8 to control Pro Tools LE?
Where do you get the audio inputs?

[cabuford]

The command8 is something you buy in ADDITION to an LE system. Your audio will come from your 001, 002, 002R or MBox.

[macr0w]

The Command 8 has a talkback but no audio inputs.




The C/8 has no talkback built in. Only monitor output.

[Jsalam112]

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The C/8 has no talkback built in. Only monitor output.

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So the C8 has no audio inputs nor does it have a talkback.

I have a 002 and a Control 24. Initially, the C8 looked as if it took the footprint from the 002 and some of it's function from the C24. Maybe I was just hoping.
If Digi made an 8 channel control surface that controlled LE and TDM with some of the C24 button functions, talkback, MIDI and mic/line inputs...I would have to have one.
No...don't tell me it's a Pro Control. I'm suggesting another step forward for the 002. How big of a step could it be on Digi's part?
The HUI is very functional and has a talkback built in.

[silverlode]

It doesn't insert plug-ins (it controls only already asigned insert plug) nor perform automation control.



Is this true? I find it hard to believe that the C|8 can't record automation.

[kcurry]

It DOES record automation: you just can't set the automation mode or change what you want to automate with it. For example, you can't use the C8 to change a track from auto read to auto write, nor could you set up a control on a plug-in to be automated. However, once you have done this with the mouse, you can certainly record automation for any parameter using the controls on the C8...

[bigears]

so are you saying that the digi002faders version could do all of this for you?

or are you talking about a more expensive bit of gear?

[bluesna]

I have a Digi 001 and calling Digi tomorrow to trade in and up (unfortunately , not an HD)
I also am deciding 002R and Command 8 or Digi 002.
I probably will go with the Digi 002factory and a Digital Console. Either Yamaha , Tascam or Spirit so I can mix out of the box and use channel onboard gates/comps /fx along with rtas. I mix often in stems. i also have a Spirit analog console M8 which has a digital out. A REALLY KILLER little console for the money. Sweet EQ , DI's on every chanel , spdif out and the pres are pretty good.

I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the BEST POSSIBLE signalinto and out of the Digi002. Considering Appogee Rosetta , mini me, mini dac , etc

I see that many of you are concerned with talk back.
One of my friends has a killer 1 rack unit , I forget what it is that has talk back , several stereo pairs and was pretty costly , i think around $850.00 and works and sounds great.
I , on the other hand didn't have that much cash so i purchased the Samson C-Control. GREAT LITTLE UNIT !!!!!!
Not as transpaent as my firends but for the miney ....
It gives you several input option and you can switch between 2 sets of powered monitors and turn your sub woofer on or off , also mono , dim , mute and TALKBACK / talk to cue. A REAL HANY LITTLE BOX .... A MUST HAVE FOR ProTools.

see ya
frank
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