Input / Output Connections

[SpyAJ15]

I was wondering, if I get the HD Core card and five Accel cards that means I could have 160 Inputs correct, Because each card can hold 32 inputs, I believe? I'm starting up a recording studio for my band I need about that many inputs. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks, Andrew

[filmixer]

The maximum number of physical I/Os is 96 channels. The total can be any combination of analog, digital or Digi mic pre's.

[dmazurek]

you need 160 inputs? wow, big band.

[SpyAJ15]

So there is no way to have 160 physical inputs? I really need that many though, I have 5 drummers (16 Connections each), 12 guitarist, four bassist, (each are stero miced.) and a keyboard that I need to connect. So more like 112 physical inputs. Any suggestions on how to achieve this?

Thanks, Andrew

P.S: How much would one of these cost?

[dmazurek]

Are you serious? only one keyboard player? c'mon you need to place a players wanted ad!!!!

Actually, I'd buy 5 Alesis HD24XTs for tracking and then a PT rig (HD3 Accel at least) with a single 192. Save yourself a bunch of money and headaches.

[bigbadhenchman]

So there is no way to have 160 physical inputs? I really need that many though, I have 5 drummers (16 Connections each), 12 guitarist, four bassist, (each are stero miced.) and a keyboard that I need to connect. So more like 112 physical inputs. Any suggestions on how to achieve this?

Thanks, Andrew

P.S: How much would one of these cost?



You could get the new Fairlight constellation. 240 channels.

[dmazurek]

what's that go for?

What do you do when Fairlight goes out of business..........again. I know, cheap shot. I'm just kidding. I wish them the best.

[SpyAJ15]

Quote from FairLight's Website:
__________________________________________________ ______
Upto 96 Track/Live Feeds may be brought into a mix.
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Which is the exact same thing as the ICON and HD system.

[bigbadhenchman]

Quote from FairLight's Website:
__________________________________________________ ______
Upto 96 Track/Live Feeds may be brought into a mix.
__________________________________________________ ______

Which is the exact same thing as the ICON and HD system.



I think that's for the original constellation. It's the new XT hat cond o more. I know you can fit up to 6 QDC cards in a fram. each card can do 32 channels, if I'm correct.

[SpyAJ15]

Even if I do get that It says that it comes with a 48 or 96 Track Recorder. Wouldn't I need more then that to record all the stuff that i neeed to. Or is that Recorder not have to do with what I wish to do?


(Goto FairLightAU.com (http://fairlighau.com) then the text scrolling across the screen, at the bottom, the red text (Constellation XT), then in there, the 4th paragraph.)

[TLmix]

Suggestions


1. Submix some elements and commit
2. Overdub some of this stuff
3. Treat is like an orchestral recording.... 3 Omni's on a Decca tree and area mics
4. Buy two HD rigs and lock them together if you're hell bent on discrete tracks for all of this



TL

[SpyAJ15]

4. Buy two HD rigs and lock them together if you're hell bent on discrete tracks for all of this




How would I do that?

[SpyAJ15]

Anybody ?

[dmazurek]

make them share a WC connection and smpte. Bring the main output of rig 1 into an aux input on rig2.

[SpyAJ15]

So I'd get a Sync I/O and take the Output to one of the 192 I/Os WC Input, then take the out from there to the other 192 I/O then out from there to the input of the Sync I/O to make it a complete loop? Also, I know this maybe a stupid question, but exactly what is the SMPTE? I don't see anything in the info on the site about it. Are you talking LTC, EBU ?

[sos-recording]

I think that if you want to Mix or records 5 drummers (16 mic each ) 5 guit / 5 bass / and keyboards and if you don't know what is SMPTE , I think that it will be not very easy for you :-)

Make sure also with your hard drive because if you choose analod tape recording it will be more difficult to synchronise
5 X 24 analog tracks .

See you and good luk with your records !

[Andrew B75]

>Also, I know this maybe a stupid question, but exactly what is the SMPTE? I don't see anything in the >info on the site about it. Are you talking LTC, EBU ?

>if you don't know what is SMPTE , I think that it will be not very easy for you :-)

Hi Spy,

It's not a stupid question. SMPTE means Society of Motion Picture TV Engineers, and it really has nothing to do with what you are trying to do. Amateurs refer to time code as SMPTE sometimes. It's basically like saying: "Does your unit have a Society of Motion Picture TV Engineers output port on TRS or simply RCA?" Like, do actual engineers come out of the port?

He may have been refering to LTC but who knows, since it's out of context. LTC stands for longitudinal time code. Some people call it Linear Time Code too, since traditionally it was sometimes sourced on a linear medium.

[SpyAJ15]

Could I use MTC some how. Not really sure how that works. I was thinking Taking the MTC output from Sync I/O Into the 9 or 10 input on the Midi I/O and then use the outputs from there into the two systems. ( Outputs 9 and 10 are split inputs, there are two 9 outputs and only one input, same for 10. ) Would that work for SMPTE ?




-Andrew

[FlorianE]

MIDI TC Out from SYNC I/O will only run while online AND running - which is a bit of a drag.
If you use an ordinary USB-MIDI interface, like an MT4 or so, and enable and route the 'MTC to port' checkbox in session setup window, you will have permanent MTC out at the MIDI interface. You can also send MMC this way. So you may be able to machine control your second PT rig from the first one - although I haven't tried this. Might even be possible to scrub both rigs this way, as with VVTR this does work.

But you will still best use a common master word clock for both rigs.

Cheers

Florian

[dmazurek]

It's not a stupid question....
He may have been refering to LTC but who knows, since it's out of context.



How's that out of context when directly referring to locking 2 rig together? Sorry, but SMPTE TC (and it's MTC derivative) should be part of basic engineering knowledge.

[SpyAJ15]

Could I use the EMagic Unitor8 MKII MIDI Interface (http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-EDG-UNITOR8MKII1.html) (Adjustable MTC Full Frame Message (e.g. for ProTools or Paris))? And then use the Sync I/O as the WC?

[SpyAJ15]

I made a sample of what I was thinking for wiring, tell if this would work or not.

Image Here (http://ctf.soco-online.net/SpyMovie/maybe.JPG)

[FlorianE]

No use tying the two rigs together like river rafts.
In a Timecode setup, one machine has to be master, all others in slave.
For your track-count, you'll need something like 6 HD192's in each rig.
It is a very complex setup.
Simplify, or use a machine you know.

Cheers

Florian

[Chris Lambrechts]

spy .... allow me to give you some good advice. Why don't you try going to a digidesign dealer with your 'problem'.They should be able to sit down with you and explain all this to you. I have a feeling that you are either no where near to understanding what it is you are doing or uhm ... you're trying to pull a joke here. Dunno ... I've seen stranger then what you are trying to do but usually done by people who had at least a basic understanding of both digital and analog audio connections / synchronisation / clock etc etc etc ...

[SpyAJ15]

The only problem with that Is I live nowhere near a Digidesign dealer. The closest one according to the digidesign dealer locator is atleast 2 hours a way. And I have school, So I really have no time to go.


Florian E I don't mean to be a pain but is there a way you could make a diagram like I did of the right way. You know, thats if you have time. As soon as I see it'll click in my head but right now I have small idea of how to do this but not a full understanding.


Thanks, Andrew

[RKrizman]

I have 5 drummers (16 Connections each), 12 guitarist, four bassist, (each are stero miced.) and a keyboard that I need to connect. So more like 112 physical inputs.



Do you guys play private parties?

-R

[sos-recording]

I have 5 drummers (16 Connections each), 12 guitarist, four bassist, (each are stero miced.) and a keyboard that I need to connect. So more like 112 physical inputs.
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Hi Spy.

If you are interested I have a very big choral society to join your very big rock band and 3 lead singer.

If you are interested, I think that we'll must put more physicals inputs to record the extra choral and the lead vocal.

[SpyAJ15]

Am I any closer? Image Here (http://ctf.soco-online.net/SpyMovie/maybe2.JPG) Yes/No ?

[FlorianE]

You'll need an extra 12 AD-Units. As is, the 192 only has 8 analog inputs.
I can see no Timecode link between the systems. They're 2 independent systems; how does system2 know what system1 is doing, or where it is going?
Masterclock from sync I/O could work, but you can get a cheaper master clock generator elsewhere, and will have money left for MIDI Timecode&Machine control.

I had posted a drawing to your website, using 96i interfaces, which cost half as much as the 192 plus already have 16 analog inputs. Didn't arrive?

Florian

[SpyAJ15]

No, It hasn't arrived yet. Could you send it to SpyAJ15@AOL.COM ?
Thanks, Andrew

[SpyAJ15]

Thanks, Florian. It makes perfect sense now. Just one last thing what would you recommened as a Master Word Clock ?

[FlorianE]

There is a thread on clocks on this forum

Cheers
Florian