Eleven vs Waves GTR3 TDM

[Justin1524]

As a long time Line6 Pod/Gearbox head I wanted to try another cool guitar emulation that works with TDM. I was able to buy the Waves GTR3 TDM software only product from http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/dutchmuzik for his best offer price of $239.

So far I've gotten some really tasty sounds out of GTR3 that are more pleasing to my ears in terms of quality thank my Pod/Variax setup.

I really wanted to get Eleven but it's more expensive and does less than Waves GTR3.

My humble recommendation is, if you haven't tried GTR3 - give it a shot. You can't go wrong adding another tool to your plugin arsenal. It sounds great - plus has some great stomp effects.

I don't understand why GTR3 isn't more popular - an underestimated tool in my opinion.

Here's a list of what you get with Waves GTR3...

Guitar Amps
• Direct Full-frequency, transparent tone
• Clean Based on a 1959 tweed Fender® Bassman®.
• Warm Based on a boutique amp from Paul Reed Smith's private collection.
• Punchy Based on a 100W Marshall® head
• Sweet Based on a 1968 Gibson® Skylark
• Cream Based on a 1966 Ampeg® Gemini II
• Edgy Based on a 1980 Vox® AC-30 TB-2
• Drive Based on a 1964 blackface Fender® Super Reverb®
• Overdrive Based on a 1980 Marshall® JMP
• Scream Based on a custom amp from Paul Reed Smith's private collection Waves GTR
• Crunch Based on a custom Garcia™ from Paul Reed Smith’s personal collection
• Crush Based on a modified Marshall® MK2 50W stack head
• Scorch Based on a boutique amp from Paul Reed Smith's private collection
• Inferno A virtual model with super-high distortion and extremely fast cleanup
• Monster Based on a Marshall® 100W head
• Hot Based on a Koch® Combo
• Modern Based on a Mesa® Dual Rectifier® Solo head
• Shredder Based on a Marshall® JMP1 preamp
• Supernatural Based on a boutique amp from Paul Reed Smith's private collection
Waves

Bass Amps
• Directube Based on a Countryman® DI into a V72 preamp
• Activator Based on a Sadowsky® preamp
• SolidState Based on a Hartke® 3500
• Mo'Town Based on a fliptop Ampeg® B15-N tube amplifier
• SuperTube Based on the Ampeg® SVT
• Thunder Based on a David Eden® World Tour 800
• OverBass Based on a Mesa/Boogie® 400+

Cabinets
• 4 x 12” Standard Based on a Marshall® 1960a
• 4 x 12” Vintage Based on Marshall® 1960ax with Celestion® G12 Greenbacks
• 4 x 12” Britt Based on an Orange® PPC412 with Celestion® Vintage30s
• 4 x 12” Inferno Based on a virtual cabinet
• 2 x 12” ClosedBack Based on a Marshall® 1936 cabinet with Celestion® G12 Greenbacks
• 2 x 12” OpenBack Based on a Vox® AC-30 Celestion® Alnico Blue
• 4 x 10” OpenBack Based on a Fender® Super Reverb® Blackface 1968 with CTS alnico magnet speakers
• 12” OpenBack Based on a Mesa/Boogie® Mark IV with an Electro-Voice® speaker
• 15” ClosedBack Based on a 1960’s Fender® Showman cabinet
• Acme 12” Custom Based on a custom cabinet by Ted Jensen of Sterling Sound
• Acme 2 x 10” Cabinet Based on a 1962 Vox® cabinet
• Acme 8” OpenBack Based on a 1968 Gibson® Skylark
• Acme 4 x 12” Cab Based on a 1970’s Hiwatt® cabinet
• Acme 12” OpenBack Based on a mid ‘60s Ampeg Gemini cabinet
• Acme 2 x 10” OpenBack Based on a 1965 Fender® Vibrolux® Reverb Blackface cabinet
• Acme Case Speaker Based on a late ‘60s Silvertone® case with built-in speaker

Bass Cabinets
• Bass 8 x 10” Pro Based on an Ampeg® SVT810AV
• Bass 6 x 10” Based on an Ampeg® SVT610HL
• Bass 15” Based on a late ‘60s Fender® Bassman®
• Bass 15” Fliptop Based on an Ampeg® B15N
• Bass E15 15” + (4 x 10”) Based on David Eden® cabinets
• Bass M1516 10” + 15” + (2 x 6”) Based on a Mesa/Boogie® 1516

Microphones
Select from different microphones, recorded in different positions.
• Dyn 409 Based on a Sennheiser® Echolette 409 (dynamic)
• Dyn 421 Based on a Sennheiser® MD-421 II (dynamic)
• Dyn 57 Based on a Shure® SM57 (dynamic)
• Ribb 84 Based on a AEA® R84 (ribbon)
• Ribb 44 Based on a RCA® 44 (ribbon)
• Dyn RE20 Based on a Electro-Voice® RE20 (dynamic)
• Cond VM1 Based on a Brauner VM1® (condenser)

Bass Mics
• Coil 88 Based on a Beyer® M88 (dynamic moving coil)
• Dyn Based on a RE20 Electro Voice® RE20 (dynamic)
• Dyn 57 Based on a Shure® SM57 (dynamic)
• Cond 87 Based on a Neumann® U87 (condenser)
• Cond GR Based on a Manley® Gold Reference (condenser)
• Ribb 122 Based on a Royer® 122 (ribbon)
3.4 Cabinet

Pedals/Effects

OverDrive
Distortion
Fuzz
Buzz
Metal

Flanger
Vibrolo
Panner
Phaser
Octaver
WahWah
Chorus
Doubler
Pitcher
Bass Pitcher

Delay
Lay-D
Reverb
Spring

Compressor
AxxPress
Gate
Gate/Comp
Tone
EQ
Volume


Here're some links to check out:

GTR3 Overview page
http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=93

The Making of GTR3 with Paul Reed Smith
http://www.waves.com/Objects/waves_videos/584/gtr_vdos/gtr3/TheMakingOfGTR3PopUp.html

[joeydego]

I plan on picking it up next time it goes on sale. for 250 bucks or so, just being able to have those stomps as rtas are worth it! How do the amps sound in comparison to eleven. Honestly?

[Justin1524]

I think they sound really good. I tried the eleven demo and I think the GTR3 sounds are comparable.

[badboymusic]

IMO Waves GTR3 was the best until Eleven came out. Now GTR3 sounds a little too thin in comparison. I go back and forth all the time to see what works best in the mix and Eleven has been the winning choice each time. I also have Line 6 PODXT, Amp Farm and Amplitube 2 to choose from.

[NickH]

I can't get Waves GTR3 to sit in the mix the way Eleven (or a real amp) does, that’s not to say it's not worth having, it’s a useful tool that works well in some genres (some of the clean tones are cool) & some of the FX pedals are really good... But for me Eleven marks a new breakthrough that should raise the game of amp sim realism... GTR4 could be very interesting... :-) or not... :(

:-)

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[joeydego]

now Eleven bussed to GTR3's stomps.......that could work!!!

[sunburst79]

now Eleven bussed to GTR3's stomps.......that could work!!!

Yeah there were a couple of post were folks mentioned doing that and I believe also using the Line6 plugs for stomps. I think someone mentioned there is a light version of GTR that has all of the stomps at a cheaper price. I'm on vacation in a week or so and will be looking into this.

Now all we need is Digi to model "StompFarm"

One of the things I like about Eleven is that it does one thing really well and thats sounding like a actual amp.

There is definitely room for another plug in that models pedals as well as Eleven models amps. The more I think about though I would prefer to NOT to see them packaged together so the each plug in could retain its focus.

[joeydego]

There is definitely room for another plug in that models pedal as well as Eleven models amps. The more I think about though I would prefer to NOT to see them packaged together so the each plug in could retain its focus.

I have to agree. give us more amps in eleven. Maybe develop a stomp plugin of the same quality down the line (hint to digi........CROSSGRADE!!)

[Premo]

The DigiZine has some really awesome tricks in it for Eleven. You can get much more amp sounds by mixing more than 1 eleven, using Reverb and EQ in conjunction and getting creative.
Check it out! http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=6

But yes, more amps and presets wouldn't hurt anyone!
Eleven is the bomb, and sound quality is bar none.

[Justin1524]

I'd love to have Eleven TDM but it's just too expensive at $450 to $595. Heck, it should at least be price competitive with GTR3 shouldn't it? I mean, we're talkin' Waves here.

[joeydego]

I'd love to have Eleven TDM but it's just too expensive at $450 to $595. Heck, it should at least be price competitive with GTR3 shouldn't it? I mean, we're talkin' Waves here.