No way - mbox original support need

[djpenny]

regular users can not use the original mbox or are working for the update there are many who work with that hardw unable to afford the new
please explain that
thanks digi

[azenis]

I agree totally. Its just a ploy to force us into new hardware for no reason. Why drop support? That is crap. And it will fail. I am going to buy Logic now.

Screw you digidesign!

[sunburst79]

I agree totally. Its just a ploy to force us into new hardware for no reason. Why drop support? That is crap. And it will fail. I am going to buy Logic now.

Screw you digidesign!


I agree. Rather than spending 279.00 for a Mbox2 to replace your long discontinued hardware spending 499.00 in order to use it with another program makes a lot more sense. Til Apple updates something and breaks the remaining driver.

[azenis]

Its more on the principle of the matter. The core audio driver only stopped showing in red as crashed in the activity monitor since snow leopard was released and the non-qualified version of PT was running on it. And now they go and discontinue it.

Is there any reason for them to stop the software working with the original m-box? Apart from money in their coffers? I doubt.

Its not like its an entirely different system (like PPC/Intel) as far as I can see?

[John_Toolbox]

Sorry, I just can't sympathize...

I remember using an mbox original with OS9. At that time, I was also using PTIII with OS9, and mix with OS9. PTIII support had already been dropped at PT version 5.0.1. Mix systems were dropped in 2004 at version 6.4.1. Both PTIII and mix were THOU$AND$ of dollars, yet they kept supporting the $400 mbox all this time. The mbox was released in 2002 so if you bought it then it has cost you less than $100/year to have. And it still works fine with the software you already have, no one is forcing you to upgrade.

[azenis]

Fine in a crashy kind of way...

[azenis]

mbox 2 is over $1000 here in australia, i can get logic express for less than half that and use it with any hardware I please pretty much, not locked in to digis own hardware that they make obsolete for no reason.

[sunburst79]

Fine in a crashy kind of way...

Ever tie that in with fact that its simply taking more and more man hours just to keep the (long discontinued) MBox limping along? Hours that are needed elsewhere to maintain current products. Its a game of diminishing returns for Digi and in some respects its not fair use of those resources to those that have invested in the currently supported hardware.

Win 7 and OSX moving forward are going to need 64bit compatible hardware drivers yet the MBox is being dropped at this point.... Ever think that there might be a reason for that?

There are lots of reasons to drop support and I don't think that its to just "be mean" to a few folks that ran the MBox out to the logical end of its lifecycle.

I have a MBox and a MBox2 find that the MBox2 series is and always has been more stable. I have a 001 and its super stable on newer hardware. I'm perfectly fine with it stuck at 6.4 cs9 since it just works. Each of these pieces of hardware have a version of PT and a OS they were designed for and a sweet spot as far as what version of PT and OS revision they work best with and the MBox has simply passed its zenith.

[John_Toolbox]

Fine in a crashy kind of way...

Worked fine for me with PT 5 and 6. As sunburst79 said, the original mbox was built to work with PT5 and OS9.

[therecordinghouse]

i agree, digi should just support every piece of hardware they create infinitely. then they can just pass the cost of that to us. sounds like a plan. :rolleyes:


ALL good things come to an end.

[Anthony Jr.]

Digidesign is not forcing you to upgrade or update. You can simply stick with Leopard and everything will work until your hardware has a meltdown.

While Digidesign's consumer recording lines use the same software to connect every peripheral to an operating system, that doesn't mean that every interface uses the same coding. Hardware specs change, transfer rates vary, and interconnectivity differs on all of the devices.

In my opinion, Digidesign held on to the original Mbox for quite some time longer than I would have even expected. How many major PT releases and OS updates has that little thing seen? A lot. Even my original MOTU 828 MkI didn't make it too far, and I happily moved on to better things.

As I see it, Digidesign sees the money they'd invest in continuing support would not be worth the small Mbox MK1 userbase and the even smaller group of users looking to update further.

Granted, Digi's EOSS might just mean that it "could work," but they're not "testing it past this point in time." You can always jump on eBay and find something cheap that's in a mid-life cycle. The 002 racks are well worth the $300+ that they're going for nowadays.

[hello@adrianbradford.com]

I have to say it's classic Digidesign.. $40 to use MP3s in LE, $300 for more tracks, can't use full track count with light bridge and the whole latency compensation thing deliberately omitted to force you to spend thousands.. we could all go on.. these are the actions of a company that know they are essentially a monopoly. But in truth these actions just pressure people to jump platforms as soon as they are able. In my opinion, this is not sustainable business practice. On the other hand, it's worked for them so far..

[oodelardeet]

Screw you digidesign!


Jeez! The product has been around for 7 years, it still works, and up till now, they have continued to support it! You don't have to upgrade, you know. Use it with the software you have, and if and when you outgrow it, you can invest in newer, more powerful hardware from a company who continues to innovate, make quality products that last, and supports their product far longer than many other companies out there. Let's not forget their trade in/upgrade program. I traded in my Digi 001 for a Digi 003R Factory and got more trade in value for my 001 than I paid for it 6 years prior! I just don't see the merit to your "screw you digidesign" comment in this situation anyway. Thanks for reading.
Oodelardeet

[John_Toolbox]

We need a Nubus HD accel card the runs with Sound designer II. That way I can keep using my mac iicx. :p

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[Premo]

To the 'screw digi' comment that was unjustified and immature.

If you're on the bleeding edge of Snow Leopard then to me that means you'll fork out a ton of cash for an Intel Mac to Apple with latest OS and upgrade plug-ins or software for Intel/Leopard Support. But you are too cheap to purchase any one of at least 7 replacements that Digi has for your mbox over the last 7 years. Or you just like to complain about everything anytime it cost you, but yet you invest in technology industry, one that is always changing!

Or maybe you dont understand the basic fundamentals of staying in business so your DAW can continue to develop and stay afloat or even prosper times of economic downfall.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And verifying the mbox works in each cs, bug and major release is time taken away from something else that Digi could do to could help generate revenue and develop and test new and current interfaces in order to keep your favorite DAW in business.

The day will come for every electronic device and software no matter what. These are things to expect.

The mbox became the bastard child seperate from the mbox2 family, as it's different driver and functionality would requires a whole separate testing grid/cycle than the lump sum of mbox2 family testing.

I'm sure that if Mbox2 support was dropped you'd hear a WHOLE LOT more of people screaming. The population is dwindling as each new PT owner gets an Eleven Rack or 003 or Mbox2 series.

But definitely go buy Logic or just use Garage Band or Propellerheads Record and spend how ever many weeks you'll need learn it and do tell us how that all works out. Its not like every DAW has its own set of new bugs and crap to deal with. I love Logic but hate it, its the same with Pro Tools. You find what works for you, and you use that tool the best you can to make money or have fun.

If anyone is mad about mbox support dropped and DOESNT already have PT8, then one option not buy PT8 ($149 now) then get an LE interface which comes with latest version for free. I've seen Mbox2s go for $190-240 on eBay right now, today. So you're talking a difference of $50 used, or $100 new and you get the latest version of Pro Tools with it.

And you can find people that will ship to Australia so you dont have to pay $1000 retail.

I'm sure I'll get flammed but I just think its silly to people who buy an Intel Mac and all cool with that with 10.6 but are 'pissed' about the Mbox not being supported.

Good luck to you guys.